Super-Saiyan Multipliers are non-sense. Agree or Disagree?

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Super-Saiyan Multipliers are non-sense. Agree or Disagree?
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~~StrawHatCrew~~	Apr 16 2015, 02:16 AM Post #1
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	I agree. They don't make sense.



+ Kaboom	Apr 16 2015, 02:39 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Disagree. The manga doesn't indicate that the power increases from Super Saiyan forms are randomly different for different people, and essentially every piece of official material with an opinion to give says "Super Saiyan makes you about 50x stronger." It's entirely up to the individual to accept that or not, but I personally don't see any reason to go against it. Edited by Kaboom, Apr 16 2015, 02:41 AM.



+ Pyrus	Apr 16 2015, 03:01 AM Post #3
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Multipliers are poop. Use percentages for increases.
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+ Clearin	Apr 16 2015, 03:11 AM Post #4
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Toriyama has given literally a single multiplier for a single instance and it the number doesn't work in that context. I don't think he really had anything in mind more than "Super Saiyan makes you stronger".



sekzee	Apr 16 2015, 08:27 AM Post #5
Posts: 1,336 Group: Member Member #11,101 Joined: March 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Firefaux Favourite Manga Nein	More like, "Super Saiyan makes you a hell of a lot stronger because Frieza is dwarfing Goku's power and my god the damn legend must hold true!!! Super Saiyan is maximum!"



Xfing	Apr 16 2015, 06:14 PM Post #6
Posts: 817 Group: Member Member #5,616 Joined: January 11, 2011	The multipliers do work. But not the SEG ones. And only if they decrease.



* Ketchup Revenge	Apr 16 2015, 07:40 PM Post #7
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Multipliers are nonsense. Although I will agree that there's no evidence for different increases for different people, there's also no evidence of a standard increase. Considering that no one in the series (even the characters who are Super Saiyan) can accurately predict the power increase that someone receives when others go Super Saiyan, it flies in the face of the claim that it's a standard increase for every person who can use it. However, something also to consider is that Gohan seems to tell us that Super Saiyan ki itself is different than someone's regular ki, because he mistakes Trunks for Goku. This could be interpreted as a ki increase, when it's actually a combination of increase and change.
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Rogafufuken	Apr 16 2015, 09:35 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #10,933 Joined: February 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z/Kai, and Nisekoi What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Z, and One Piece	They can be confusing I'll say that. They work sometimes but other times they don't.



superperfectnerd	Apr 16 2015, 09:47 PM Post #9
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	For Goku and Vegeta to be equal in all their forms - including the new bluper saiyan - then there needs to be a fixed multiplier.



~~StrawHatCrew~~	Apr 16 2015, 09:55 PM Post #10
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	Rogafufuken Apr 16 2015, 09:35 PM They can be confusing I'll say that. They work sometimes but other times they don't. It's not even whether they work or not. It's just I don't think it works with the legend. Why would the legend say mightiest warrior or something if it's just multiplication?



Goddess Ultimecia	Apr 16 2015, 10:55 PM Post #11
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	superperfectnerd Apr 16 2015, 09:47 PM For Goku and Vegeta to be equal in all their forms - including the new bluper saiyan - then there needs to be a fixed multiplier. That, or their SSJ forms draw the same amount of dormant power out. I don't adhere to SSJ Multipliers anymore, I adhere to SSJ forms bringing a further release of your dormant power out. Let's say... for Goku and Vegeta, SSJ brings 5% of your dormant power out, SSJ2 brings 10% out, and SSJ3 brings 40% out. It would help explain why there was so much emphasis put on training the SSJ forms, that way they could bring out more dormant power with a transformation.
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lazerbem	Apr 16 2015, 11:08 PM Post #12
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	There have been piece of s*** Super Saiyans before. Kid Future Trunks for example
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~~StrawHatCrew~~	Apr 16 2015, 11:10 PM Post #13
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	lazerbem Apr 16 2015, 11:08 PM There have been piece of s*** Super Saiyans before. Kid Future Trunks for example We don't know what happened. We just kind of saw what happened in the middle of the training.



lazerbem	Apr 16 2015, 11:11 PM Post #14
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	StrawHatCrew Apr 16 2015, 11:10 PM lazerbem Apr 16 2015, 11:08 PM There have been piece of s*** Super Saiyans before. Kid Future Trunks for example We don't know what happened. We just kind of saw what happened in the middle of the training. We saw Trunks sweating and gritting his teeth while Gohan had a smile on his face and blocked him. Seems pretty clear
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~~StrawHatCrew~~	Apr 16 2015, 11:14 PM Post #15
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	lazerbem Apr 16 2015, 11:11 PM StrawHatCrew Apr 16 2015, 11:10 PM lazerbem Apr 16 2015, 11:08 PM There have been piece of s*** Super Saiyans before. Kid Future Trunks for example We don't know what happened. We just kind of saw what happened in the middle of the training. We saw Trunks sweating and gritting his teeth while Gohan had a smile on his face and blocked him. Seems pretty clear How long has Trunks been SSj. Maybe Gohan was more used to it. Maybe Gohan started the fight as SSj and then powered down when he saw that he doesn't need it anymore. Gohan even said Trunks could surpass him soon.



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